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Posts: 8408 (12/02/05 14:07:57) Alchemist |
You're welcome, Mac. I used a Q-tip with some Neosporin triple antibiotic ointment on it and swabbed a little over the puncture sight. The paper towels are Viva, the ones that feel like cloth. They are very soft when they are wet and held the water very well to keep her moist during the procedure.
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Posts: 25515 (12/02/05 18:19:10) Administrator
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OMG Sarah, that pic of Marge saddlebreaking the catfish is priceless. You go Margie! What a gal!
 Thanks for posting these pics for reference too. They're invaluable for us all. todley |
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sixoh |
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Posts: 8408 (12/02/05 22:10:18) Alchemist |
You're very welcome. She is definitely one of my all time fav's.
 Sarah |
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aquila |
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Posts: 10606 (12/04/05 17:54:34) Administrator
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How did it go, Mac (if you tried it)?
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Mac |
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Posts: 2095 (12/04/05 20:52:22) Pipid PhD |
I'm waiting for some 25g syringes to come in. I misread the Microgravity link earlier and bought 21g. (I had found the link several weeks ago during my bloat research.) I definitely would like the smaller needle for my little guy. Chance ate 3 or 4 small thawed bloodworms tonight.
I will post an update after I do the procedure this week. Hopefully I will have a pic of a smaller Chance later  ...Mac |
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todley |
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Posts: 25515 (12/05/05 17:15:32) Administrator
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Good luck to you & Chance Mac. My good thoughts are with you both.
todley |
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Posts: 20625 (12/05/05 18:40:38) Administrator
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Sarah, those pix actually look like you are entering the abdomen with the needle, which isn't wrong, heck that's what we would do with a human. It's just that this site says that you can enter the thigh without going into the abdomen and withdraw fluid that way (never made sense anatomically to me). Did you ever try it more this way? You just barely go under the skin and start to withdraw fluid, right?
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Mac |
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Posts: 2095 (12/05/05 22:09:33) Pipid PhD |
Based on the Microgravity link, I was concerned on how to do that with the thigh as "Georg" described. Chance's legs look normal like Marge's - that's why I have been concerned about the entry point. Looking at Chance from the top, its pretty easy to see fluid accumulation. I'm hoping when I examine the area Sarah shows, it will be easy to see also. Looking in "Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry" (Wright and Whitaker), they refer to the process as "celiocentesis". They describe placing the small gauge needle paramedially or in the paralumbar region. Sarah's pics are a gem ! I haven't been able to Google any pics that well made.
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Mac |
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Posts: 2095 (12/05/05 22:31:15) Pipid PhD |
Just for review, here's a newt being relieved of some fluid...
Newt aspiration . Edit nore: Changed to link. |
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Dr Barb |
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Posts: 20625 (12/06/05 18:38:38) Administrator
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In medicine we call it a paracentesis. The "celio" is like celiac, which means abdominal cavity.
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sixoh |
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Posts: 8408 (12/07/05 07:20:49) Alchemist |
The first time I aspirated Marge (when Dr Barb and Virg watched on the web cam) I went in through the thigh and angled it upward towards the belly. The problem was that the fluid withdrawl was spotty as far as a little fluid and then nothing, a little fluid then nothing, etc. Dr Barb, you may remember that after the first one she ballooned up even worse the next day and then slowly got better after about 3 days.
The second time was much easier and took out a lot of fluid going in by the belly. She never ballooned one bit after the second one. Sarah |
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Dr Barb |
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Posts: 20625 (12/07/05 18:22:27) Administrator
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Going into the belly (near the thigh) makes more sense to me from what I know about human anatomy, as long as the needle doesn't go in very far, like just barely into the abdominal cavity, to minimize the chances of piercing a loop of bowel.
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