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ShellyB518		#21	[-]
Posts: 5049 (04/02/08 17:05:19) Administrator Smarty McFarty Pants Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	A back up heater is always a good investment. Heaters break and Murphy's Law says it happens when the fish store is closed. I have these stealth's in my small tanks and they work really nicely and are quite accurate, having an adjustable temp control is needed, at $14.00 they are well worth their price. I would think they would work safely in a sweater box, the heater is submersible so laying in on a flat piece of slate or another decoration would be fine if you are worried about possible melting but I don't think that would be a concern either. I would probably be more concerned with any temp fluxuations and a heater would be the best route for them to thrive. -Shelly
critterguy.antfarm	update	#22	[-]
Posts: 22 (04/02/08 17:38:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	LOL on heaters breaking...I've lost quite a few of them to various scenarios. I've found the Ebo-jager's to be great. Visitherms work too which is what is heating the adults tank but from what I can see that model doesn't seem to have an indicator light so it can be tough to tell if they are working if, say, you accidentally unplugged one. Also, assuming the color here is not an artifact from the camera...should I worry?
ShellyB518		#23	[-]
Posts: 5059 (04/02/08 17:47:54) Administrator Smarty McFarty Pants Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Looks like a perfect little frogger to me! I like the Ebo's also and have several but they don't make a 25w that I have seen. From my experience and other members posts, the 25w stealth is the most reliable/safest in that wattage. I too had notice it doesn't have an indicator light. -Shelly
todley		#24	[-]
Posts: 25093 (04/02/08 18:15:31) Administrator Fool for Frogs & Word Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I don't see anything off color about your little one either. Looks like nice healthy colors to me and since I don't see any under arm post auxilliary glands, take this to be a female. What are you concerned about? todley
critterguy.antfarm		#25	[-]
Posts: 24 (04/02/08 19:10:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	It seems to me their is some pinkish flushing on parts of the underside. Is that normal? Not sure which frog this is. Has anyone else noticed the males appear to have thicker jaws that make for a different profile? Well, looks like I am off to buy a heater for some tad raising!
todley		#26	[-]
Posts: 25096 (04/02/08 21:15:14) Administrator Fool for Frogs & Word Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	That's a normal healthy pink tone you're seeing and it's quite normal. I've never really noticed thicker jawbones on the males but they do have thicker arms which we refer to as Popeye arms as well as their little bumps under their arms on their sides. They're usually smaller than the females as well. Now I'm off to check jaws on everyone in my tanks. todley
critterguy.antfarm		#27	[-]
Posts: 26 (04/03/08 14:31:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Just a hunch from poking and prodding dozens of frogs around in an LFS tank(LOL...the store guys were nice about me taking like 5 minutes ot pick one frog). I think the reason I started with three females is that males tend to have a thinner build so I shyed away from them. But I noticed their heads seem to be a different shape.
critterguy.antfarm		#28	[-]
Posts: 27 (04/05/08 20:15:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Ok, more developing eggs! Time for another try.
ShellyB518		#29	[-]
Posts: 5084 (04/05/08 20:19:09) Administrator Smarty McFarty Pants Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Best of luck!
todley		#30	[-]
Posts: 25116 (04/05/08 20:37:37) Administrator Fool for Frogs & Word Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Oh what fun. I hope you have more viable ones this time. Good luck with them. How many would you say you've got? todley
critterguy.antfarm		#31	[-]
Posts: 28 (04/08/08 11:33:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Approx 25 tads now motoring around in a sweater box home. I can't believe they transformed so quickly. I hope they don't starve! I've been feeding infusoria and a BBS hatchery has been set up which should be ready tomorrow.
ShellyB518		#32	[-]
Posts: 5131 (04/08/08 14:51:30) Administrator Smarty McFarty Pants Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	25 tads! Very cool. Do you have testing equipment for at least ammonia? Do you have an idea how big the sweater box is? -Shelly
critterguy.antfarm		#33	[-]
Posts: 29 (04/08/08 16:34:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I have kits for ph and hardness...but not ammonia/nitrites/nitrates. I think the box can hold about 4-5 gallons...it nearly has the footprint of a 10 gallon. A much spacier box could be used if necessary but a smaller size makes keeping track of em easier. For contrast, some tadpoles I brought in to view under the scope(room temperature water) have not yet reach the metamorphosis stage yet.
ShellyB518		#34	[-]
Posts: 5134 (04/08/08 16:56:40) Administrator Smarty McFarty Pants Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Glad to hear that the heater is helping them along. At the very least I would recommend a liquid ammonia tester. Without the sweater box being cycled, the ammonia needs to be tested very regularly. Froggers do not handle ammonia well at all. It would also be recommended to test your tap water for ammonia because some water companies use chloramines (which is a bond of chlorine and ammonia) and we would want to make sure you are using the appropriate amount and type of water conditioner. -Shelly
critterguy.antfarm		#35	[-]
Posts: 30 (04/08/08 19:31:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	I've been using Aquarium Pharmeticuals water conditioner(stress coat minus the weird aloe stuffs). I've moved a lot of plant material(pothos/java moss) over to the sweater box to bring in the good bacteria and absorb nutrients. I haven't lost any fish etc. doing this but I have no idea what the levels are in the early stages of these setups....which also happen to be when the buggers are most vulnerable. Water changes too.
critterguy.antfarm		#36	[-]
Posts: 31 (04/08/08 20:46:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Here is one shortly after hatching. I think external gills may be visible in this photo? They start out looking like crumbs of playdoh and then their eyes grow and tails enlongate... Then they swim around upside down for a bit before. Swimming rightside up. With the big eyes and irridescence...sure looketh like a fish to me!
critterguy.antfarm		#37	[-]
Posts: 32 (04/09/08 18:43:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Well, have been running into some problems. The BBS eggs I used were not much good, so very low hatch rate. Has anyone here tried decapsulating eggs for these guys? I'm taking some out of storage from the fridge which should have a better hatch rate, but it'd be a shame to waste all these eggs. I also bought some frozen cyclops but the tads do not seem interested. A few nauplii I've added into the tank also remain uneaten. The tadpoles are clearly hunting for something in the tank and are growing....they seem big enough to take BBS. I'm worried they are going to starve.
todley		#38	[-]
Posts: 25141 (04/09/08 18:54:32) Administrator Fool for Frogs & Word Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	Virg put together an article on Decapsualting BBS. What temps are you using for your hatchery? I kept my first DIY effort warm 24/7 with a little lamp to keep the temps up. I also had 2 different containers going started about 18 hours apart so I had a continual source. My second effort I kept warm by having the hatchery bottles in a little 3 gal tank with a heater. You can try the tiny frozen bbs too. Good luck.
critterguy.antfarm		#39	[-]
Posts: 33 (04/09/08 19:01:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	The hatchery is being kept at 76 degrees or so, which is the same temperature the tads are at. It is a glass mug(dollar store thingybobber) that I placed into the sweaterbox with the tads so the heater can heat both. Ideally the temp would be a bit higher but I was worried of increasing the metabolism of the tads too much. As another member found out this Cyclops stuff sinks rather fast. Kicking myself for not buying the frozen BBS instead!
todley		#40	[-]
Posts: 25143 (04/09/08 19:07:14) Administrator Fool for Frogs & Word Warrior Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Report Post	That should work, as long as you've got some movement of the eggs. FYI, this is the second one I set up. My original one was a couple of water pitchers with the lamp and the air stones. todley

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