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R.I.P. Darth Vader Froggy




Man, I can't believe this happened like this. Our froggy looked fine and healthy in the days leading up to this. The "hunting bloodworms" pic above was taken 7 days ago.

I'm about to put her tank mate in his own aquarium. Based on the above pics, what preventative steps should I take so that he doesn't have the same thing happen to him?

Thanks,
Mike

Thank you, Shelly.

I used to have 4 frogs total. The first two I had gotten close to a year ago from one of the local stores. Not long after that I bought two more from Petsmart. The two I got from Petsmart seemed to start off fine but ended up with health problems. One of them appeared to have Chytrid fungus so I did Lamisil treatments and the frog recovered. The second Petsmart frog ended up becoming extremely skinny and lethargic and died not too long ago. The one that recovered appears to be heading the same route the second one did.

"This guy looks really small and his shed is definitely tattery."

She's always been that size, about average compared to all the frogs I've seen in stores. I was schocked to see how tattered the skin was on her back when I took the pictures. The frog is extremely dark and under the aquarium lights I couldn't tell that the shedding skin was tattered. When I used my macro lens and 1,000 watt light to take the pictures it really showed how bad things had gotten.

"Were the frogs in the tank when it was cycling a few weeks ago?"

I keep an extra sponge filter always running in my shrimp tank and placed it in the 29g tank. Also, I put in an extra heater to up the temperature and (temporarily) placed another sponge filter from an established tank in my power filter before the media container. I also cleaned a couple of other sponge filters in the tank water.

"Were there any ammonia and/or nitrite readings during that time."

Ammonia and nitrite readings were both 0. I'm 100% positive ammonia burns didn't occur. I am waaaay OCD when it comes to testing water parameters and keeping them in check. Also, the other frog is showing no signs of burns or changes in appetite.

"How is he eating? How long has his forefeet been deformed?"

In the last 2 or 3 days she was a little more laid back than usual about going after food. I didn't think much of it at the time because she's always been the most reserved and low key out of all my frogs. The feet, prior to today, never showed any signs of deformity.

"Does any of the white area look to be cottony or just partial sheds?"

It all appeared to be partial sheds, on the back anyways. On the underside the white areas didn't seem to have much in regards to texture (other than the usual goosebump like skin).

"Is the hospital tank shallow?"

Yes, I made it shallow enough to where getting air would require minimal effort.

The tankmate appears perfectly healthy. I'm getting him & the other frog started with the Maracyn II.

Thank you for the thoughtful replies.

Cheers,
Mike

Mattsmommy2 wrote:

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Just wanted to add my condolences on losing your frogger.

She was a real cutie! Swim free now...

I'm very sorry...

Michele

P.S. Please don't miss T's post above...

capturedbyrobots wrote:

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"Darth Vader's skin condition looked to me like a fungus... When in doubt, do the antibiotic and the anti fungal, it can't hurt."

Are there any particular things I need to take into account when doing both treatments? Should I do them both concurrently or separately?

"A few things I'd like to add to this...
I personally believe a 29 is too tall for ADFs, especially these tiny ADFs.
The large amount of height they have to swim for air can be a stressful thing for them..."

I have a 20 gallon long tank that I have my Red Cherry Shrimp in. I'll switch the frogs to that tank and put the shrimp in one of my 10 gallon tanks.

"They look seriously stunted, as most young store bought ADFs are.
That will lead to all sorts of health problems down the line, and there's nothing you can do about it...
My ADFs that I raised are more than double that size from proper nutrition during the tadpole stage."

It seems to me that the best place to obtain aquatic animals are from dedicated hobbyists such as yourself who have the knowledge and time to give the animals the care they need. Do you, or anyone else, know of any such people in Southern California who sell ADFs? Or is it safe to obtain them through the mail as tadpoles? I'd like to try and avoid buying future ADFs through any stores. Although I bought a Darth Vader look-a-like yesterday from the store I had bought the first two from.

" Oh, one more thing...
What Flourish are you using?
Traces or Excel, or whaaaa...?"

Excel. I hadn't been using it regularly, twice to be precise.

ShellyB518 wrote:

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"Kudos for being OCD on the water params!
Clearly you have done your homework and provided good care for them."

Thank you.

"I apologize for calling her a him in my first post, I just assumed male..."

No worries.

"I agree with JBOT (CapturedByRobots) with the tank height. Any chance for a 20g long or a 10g?"

Yes, I'll be going with a 20g long and also take your recommendation on not using sand. I think I'll go with the Flourite that is currently in the 20g long.

"The M2 may cause some tattery sheds but keep a close eye on your other two. You can wait a few days to see if you need to do the lamisil treatments or simply start the treatments now. Your call. If the other 2 were with this girlie, I'd be inclined to do the treatments."

The other frog, "Alf," is toward the end of a Lamisil treatment. I didn't actually see any whiteness on him so I'm not sure if he had a fungus, he just started getting lethargic and lacked appetite. He seems to be improving as of late in the lethargy part, but still doesn't have much of an appetite.

I'm going to put the new Darth Vader and the one paired with the original DV, "Monk," in for Lamisil treatments soon to be on the safe side.